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September 27, 2009

Posted by Osman Samiuddin on 09/27/2009

The third flag at the Pakistan-India match


Pakistan fans in Centurion © Getty Images
 


Of the many things I remember about the 1992 World Cup final, one is the flags that Pakistani fans waved in the MCG crowd. There was the green star and crescent obviously but almost as prominent were the big, broad red, green and white ones of the MQM, a leading, still-young political party in Pakistan, and Karachi in particular, a party supported mainly by Muhajirs: those who had moved to Pakistan on Partition.

Over the years the flag has been seen at various Pakistan games, home and abroad, and I don’t recall seeing anything like it anywhere else: nationalism in sporting contests I can understand but ethnicity? Perhaps in South America at football games, where fans are an equally interesting sociological study, but that’s only a guess.

I’ve always wanted to meet the men who waved those flags and in South Africa I may have my chance. The flags were out at yesterday’s India-Pakistan game in Centurion, though completely overshadowed by those of India and Pakistan. I went down to one of the grass banks just as Suresh Raina was pretending we were all at the IPL.

It was festive, in that kind of all-things-go way of melas. Chants were being traded between sets of supporters, none of them very witty or imaginative, but energetic all. Bollywood songs, classic and new, were being played between overs and boundaries, including that come-hither ditty of love, Asha Bhonsle’s "Chura liya". They also played the oft-overlooked bawdy, big-hall singalong "Jumma Chumma De De", and having registered the bizarreness of that tune at a cricket stadium, I came to the swift conclusion that it was in fact perfect for such things.

I saw the men with the flags at the very front but decided against going, partly intimidated (what to ask them and more importantly how to ask it), partly because it wasn’t the best place for conversation, and partly because there were just too many people between me and them. So I made small talk with some Pakistan fans who were being given unnecessary tension by Raina.

On leaving I bumped into a teenager with the red, green and white and asked him, in a rush, why he had it and not a Pakistan flag. I think he thought I was accusing him and so he said both flags were one and the same thing and that his friend also had a Pakistan flag; they are and they aren’t also. This will have to be pursued.

The game ended with a full-scale pitch invasion, which hasn’t been seen for a few years and was for a while the preserve of Asian fans. Of course it is a serious security concern and all, but it was also, in a selfish way, a bracing spectacle because it is such a liberating, momentous burst of joy: watching India and Pakistan slug it out for seven hours is tense business and release is inevitable.

 
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Posted by: Jawad Maqsood on 09/27/2009

It is really sorry & shameful to see someone carrying their political party flags, instead of their national flags?
Are they ashamed of hoisting their national flag?
Do they give more priority to their party than the country?
Or they think themselves different from the nation?

Seriously I can not understand.

Posted by: Wajih on 09/27/2009

I totally dont understand using a political party flags. I havent seen such thing in any sports anywhere. Keep the Politics away from the Sports. Its not the MQM Vs India or anyother team rather its Nations vs Nation

Posted by: Mazhar Hashmi on 09/27/2009

I don't think it should have any problem for any one to carry MQM flags along with Pakistani flags. This is simble of victory like 1992. We should cheer for this as well. Bunch of people wearing pakistani flags shirts holding MQM flags should not bother at all.

Posted by: gul khan on 09/27/2009

I remember watching the 1992 WC Final and my father commenting at his disgust at the sight of the MQM flags. He and I were both wondering where their allegiances lied? The young boy in the report who said in the report that the flag is one and the same as the pak national flag is thoroughly wrong and mis-informed. Though I feel politics does unfortunately play an important role in sport, deciding to wave the flag of a political flag when coming to support a national team is totally unnecessary but also sends out the wrong message to the outside world. after recent events in lahore, you would think that these idiots,(yes thats the politest word i could think of)would decide to put up a united front and show they are here to support pakistan and not their favourite political party.

Posted by: Shahid on 09/27/2009

You see, MQM is a product and the businessman in that, sitting in London found out that cricket reaches out to ordinary people in Pakistan so it is just a good idea to go through this channel of advertisement all free of cast. But the guy must have miscalculated as for every one who is not a old times member of MQM, its just an irritant and nothing else

Posted by: wajahat on 09/27/2009

this adds to the general thinking of "mohajirs" being traitors to the cause of Pakistan.

Posted by: nas arif on 09/27/2009

i think its all about pride.. mahajir youth are a proud crowd and the "overseas" mahajirs are no exception.. i think its inappropriate to NOT be able to express your freedom of speech.. if buying tickets and cheering for your nation at the stadium is patriotic.. then is hoisting the flag of a cause that one feels represents the welfare of the nation at the same event supposed to be unpatriotic?

once again.. i dont think its about a political agenda.. its got more to do with pride than anything else

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!

Posted by: shakeel butt Galway ireland on 09/27/2009

After winning the T20 world cup the message put out in and out of pakistan was that it would unite us a one nation again, but this exhibition of showing a party flag is a show of cheap attention seeking trick.Pakistan is the only country in the whole world who have active politics in foreign lands and now it is going to spread in the sports feilds as well.My request to the leaders of political parties is to please refrain from these activities and stoppromoting your own agendas in sports.There is no logical answer to this behaviour is except to encourage division in the national team.Pakistan cricket team is a mixture of sports men from different parts of pakistan not from different groups. So please lets leave this as a national team . PAKISTAN ZINDABAD.

Posted by: Jawad KHAN on 09/27/2009

Well i Agree tht its not wise to bring along any political partys flag in such events,but in no way it represents tht som1 is Ashamd of carrying th national Flag or a matter of priority as put above in th Questions....however it does represent th oppurtunist use of such a big occasion to project som personnel intrest.......it shod b taken in th same way as som1 giving a msg via a play card to his lovedones bak hom.....n nothing more then tht.........it should be discont though,if some sence prevails

Posted by: avinash samtani on 09/27/2009

asians cant keep politics out of sports!!specially CRICKET..even the administrators who run the association are demogogue..

Posted by: avinash samtani on 09/27/2009

asians cant keep politics out of sports!!specially CRICKET..even the administrators who run the association are demogogued politicians..

Posted by: jarrie on 09/27/2009

PAKISTAN is not only a country , its an idea , a hope , a ray of light for the Muslims of the subcontinent in the middle of the 20th century , which became a reality .The passion , courage and thrust we see quite often in Pakistan matches ( which is different to Indians , who chant slogans just for showoff or fun ) in Pakistanis has passed through hearts in ages . People who try to show or portray their ideas in Pakistan matches clearly show that they are not Pakistanis , the political party whose followers are doing it for years now should be considered traitors , what a pity , shameless people should be banned from entering stadium , Pakistani community should create a sports organization all over the world who will stop this type of rubbish moreover ICC should ban any other flag other than the National flags to enter the stadium, that will b more effective .

Posted by: Sohail on 09/27/2009

Yes, Alhamdu lilah it ws wonderful to see Paki's winning & the atmosphere. u right, we all are witnessed(this shameful act) to it from 1992, but it's never ever highlighted by any media person(maybe afraid of this party.

Posted by: Wasim Abbas on 09/27/2009

this is not something you take lightly. i dont think it should be brought up like this.

Posted by: ashfaq sajid on 09/27/2009

pakistan have great moments yesterday allah bless pak team in this way till to end of this cup inshalah and i prey to our cric orgnizers to select in better way the pak scaud we have lot of telent in our country end they have a risponsebility to take chanmces to these yongsters to built a great team infuture all is depend on our honest work nothing else ammeen khudda give more spirit to pak cricket team ballee ballee give give pakistan thk

Posted by: Syed Hyder on 09/27/2009

JA-Mahajir-JA Sindh- JA Pakistan and last but not least "Long live Sir Altaf Hussain and Sir Pervez Musharraf"

Posted by: Waqas Naeem on 09/27/2009

Its a very good article as normally people forget to mention such things in the aftermath of some famous victory. It was not an election rally where those guys were showcasing their party agenda. This shameless pursuit of cheap advertisement needs to give way to mature actions at world stage.

Posted by: Shahid on 09/27/2009

These people are a shame to the name and very idea of Pakistan.

Posted by: inayat on 09/27/2009

They think themselves different from the nation?


shameful to see someone carrying their political party flags, instead of their national flags

THER party leder altaf hussain have to tale them don,t do it
Really it is shamefule to pakistanis

Posted by: ali khan on 09/27/2009

i think holding MQM flag wasn't like bringing politics into game but it was more like saying that not only the people but the political party is also supporting the team. i think its a good idea others should do something like this as well to show that both people and politician stand united to support our beloved cricketers.

Posted by: ali khan on 09/27/2009

i think holding MQM flag wasn't like bringing politics into game but it was more like saying that not only the people but the political party is also supporting the team. i think its a good idea others should do something like this as well to show that both people and politician stand united to support our beloved cricketers.

Posted by: PakFan on 09/27/2009

yup, wrong to mix up sports wt political opinion/support.
But the issue is not only MQM n its ethnicity, but all Pakistan. I m sure there was a PPP flag somewhere in there. At rates things r going back home, soon u will see a Balochistan, NWF flags as well - all not right coz a cricket match is not a political forum. The issue is not MQM or mohajirs as such, its the mentality n maturity. Wished the write up could have been with a generalised tone eg Flags of political parties instead of specific to MQM.
Again, i share same opinion with u Osman that it is wrong n we may just confuse other foreigners with these non Pakistan flags. Were there any BJP, Tamil Naidu or Bihari flags in the India crowd?

Posted by: Khurram Ahmad on 09/27/2009

Its a disgrace to see such kind of things happen in an international match. I dont think these people themselves realize the significance of there actions.
The waving of the flags does clearly point out that they (a narrow minded few) think that somehow they are distinguishable from the rest of Pakistan. Well... maybe they are but not in the way they think... Pakistan is a nation, what about being proud of that instead of the stupid divisions created by the so-called leaders of the country

Posted by: Mansoor on 09/27/2009

Well , If you analyze closely, MQM flag and Indian Flag look similar, so no wonder what everyone thinks about this..

Posted by: Asim on 09/27/2009

FYI,

MQM has a huge presence in South Africa and are into all sorts of illegal activities...extortion, kidnapping ....smuggling ofcourse...carjacking etc.

Posted by: iftikhar raza on 09/27/2009

A pakistani can not even think to do so, it's really very shameful, please avoid doing this in future.

Posted by: Omair on 09/27/2009

I don't mind MQM flags being hoisted at Pakistan cricket matches as long as they are being hoisted along with the national flag. There are also quiet a few Azad Kashmir flags present at Pakistan matches.

Posted by: Salman Elahi on 09/27/2009

This is such a shame really. I remember apart from the Pakistani flag people often waved the Kashmiri flag in matches played in England and especially during the 1992 WorldCup. But they are showing Solidarity and it is completely acceptable.
MQM is a political party. Its flag just says that we are different from the rest of Pakistanis, very dissapointing.

Posted by: Fahad on 09/27/2009

By no means it suggests that we dont support the national flag but the MQM flag shows our love towards the party and our leader ... both represents our love and association towards our country....
Just another way to look at it.
ultimate message is peace and love
Jiye Muttahida !

Posted by: Fahad on 09/27/2009

By no means it suggests that we dont support the national flag but the MQM flag shows our love towards the party and our leader ... both represents our love and association towards our country....
Just another way to look at it.
ultimate message is peace and love
Jiye Muttahida !

Posted by: Fahad on 09/27/2009

By no means it suggests that we dont support the national flag but the MQM flag shows our love towards the party and our leader ... both represents our love and association towards our country....
Just another way to look at it.
ultimate message is peace and love
Jiye Muttahida !

Posted by: Naveed on 09/27/2009

Yeah
I totally agree with Jawad and wajih

You both are 100% right.

Posted by: Tawquir Ahmed on 09/27/2009

I think MQM should be ashamed of themself and so should the MQM activists. This was a Pak v India match and not MQM or Muslim League v BJP or Congress. This just proves MQM want their prominance and see themself not as Pakistanis. There is nothing more annoying in the match than to see MQM flag being waved instead of the national flag, and i dont think a single MQM supporting player was playing in the match. ONE Pakistan One Team One Flag and ONE IDENTITY...PAKISTAN

Posted by: Shakeel on 09/27/2009

So what if the MQM flags were waved in the cricket ground I see no reason of being shameful but rather i think dat the ppl are bold to do dat...they r proud of their country and as well as their political party...it by no means reflect dat they r not being loyal to pakistan...HELLO! MQM is a party of PAKISTAN not INDIA so why Feel sorry.....

Posted by: s. on 09/27/2009

I commend your bravery for pursuing the matter - in thought and action. You are clearly not from Karachi. We learned a long time ago that to physically survive we should not mess with the MQM. It is generous of you to refer to them as a political party. I think Imran Khan has given them a more appropriate title.

Posted by: shahzad on 09/27/2009

Yeah I don't think so it was a good idea by them. They should have kept the flag away. But it also shows the respect and passion that they have for their country and local party. I have never seen this much passion in people of other local parties. Iam so much surprised. Where as I never thought MR ABBASI would make a fuss of this matter on cricinfo.It is a pity that he has to mess around with pity issues when Pakistan are on top of their game. I also believe that my post will never be published.

Posted by: Apolitical on 09/27/2009

Surely this article is more suited to Pakistani newspapers, rather than Cricinfo!

Posted by: Masood on 09/27/2009

I dont understand this at all. Maybe the MQM should have their own cricket team too.....

Posted by: irfan on 09/27/2009

i think its ridicilous
we were representng pakistan there
nt MQM

Posted by: Rizwan on 09/27/2009

their must be your country first i totally agree with the writer. political party can't be higher than ur country

Posted by: Imran on 09/27/2009

That's shameful ... if this continues to grow, then we'll have PPP Cricket team during Zardari's regime, when ever MQM win's it will be their cricket team.

I'm afraid, we we'll on brink of loosing our national identity.

Posted by: Anam Ahmed on 09/27/2009

Thats true..i dont like the idea of mixing politics with sports..its Pakistan vs India not MQM vs India...i didnt see any Indian fans with their political flags..things have to change for Pakistan and they have to change fast

Posted by: Anam Ahmed on 09/27/2009

Thats true..i dont like the idea of mixing politics with sports..its Pakistan vs India not MQM vs India...i didnt see any Indian fans with their political flags..things have to change for Pakistan and they have to change fast

Posted by: Al Syed on 09/27/2009

Osman, I m not suggesting that these flgas didn't exsist but I was at T20 WC and all I recall seeing is green Pakistanni flags everywhere. Watching on TV, India vs Pakistan game in South Africa CT was also full of green flags.

Posted by: Imtiaz on 09/27/2009

Unfortunately the people who run this party are just instruments in the hands of some western powers and they from inside resent the existance of Pakistan. They donot understand that they may still be driving a cab in Chicago or cleaning the Sanitary drains in Agra if Pakistan hadn't given them the Shelter.

Posted by: sajjad on 09/27/2009

those people are sick minded.first country and after that party.Big shame on those people who carrying party flags instead of country flags.

Posted by: sajjad on 09/27/2009

those people are sick minded.first country and after that party.Big shame on those people who carrying party flags instead of country flags.

Posted by: sajjad on 09/27/2009

those people are sick minded.first country and after that party.Big shame on those people who carrying party flags instead of country flags.

Posted by: Iram on 09/27/2009

Actually I cannot for the life of me understand those flags either. I am a Mohajir, hailing from Agra, parents moved to Karachi though we now live in London. I've never voted in Pakistan, but cannot see how bringing an MQM flag to a cricket match - now or 17 years ago - makes any sense. I really hope you manage to catch up with these guys Osman - keep up the great work.

Posted by: Fahad Khan on 09/27/2009

The MQM flags were originally held in 92 due to the army operation against MQM in Karachi going on at the time. The operation ended with the deaths of thousands of innocents in Karachi. At the time, it was a symbol of defiance. The flag of MQM today is the flag of the people of Karachi. When you hold a flag of Pakistan, you are showing that you support Pakistan. When you hold the MQM flag, you are showing that you support Pakistan and Karachi. MQM is now popular throughout Karachi for their infrastructure projects etc. During the Ind-Pak matches in the 90's in Sharjah, I recall seeing many flags of Azad Kashmir. Obviously this is a region and not a political party, but similar in the sense that it does not make it against Pakistan as Mr. Maqsood noted in his comment. Imran Khan had mentioned that he didnt like people holding MQM flags, yet when Pakistan returned from the 2020 world cup, he had his followers holding his PTI flags to welcome them home.

Posted by: Adyeel on 09/27/2009

Omg! thts what i asked my friend the other day after t20 final. why? and his reply was tht MqM did so much for Pakistan so its to show support for pakistan and mqm at same time.. i am from Karachi too my ancestors moved from india too but i dont like it myself, great point raised!

Posted by: Zohaib Khan on 09/28/2009

Such inane behaviour is certainly beyond comprehension.It leaves a bad taste to mouth.Its not a political campaign/convention in progress for heavens sake! ...Im a Karachiite myself and feel abashed...i wonder if the MQM leadership has even bothered noticing!!

SHAMEFUL!

Posted by: Salman on 09/28/2009

It is not apropriate to raise some politcal party flags when you are supporting your national team outside the country. I know why There are so many MQM flags and people in South Africa. it was the time when police operation was on its peak in Karachi and Hyderabad and MQM was involved in violence like kidnaping torturing and killing of opponents and their own members. most of the people who were involed in this violence and were on the police lists of criminals fled to South Africa and other countries. They remained the hardline MQM supporters till now.

Posted by: Salman on 09/28/2009

It is not apropriate to raise some politcal party flags when you are supporting your national team outside the country. I know why There are so many MQM flags and people in South Africa. it was the time when police operation was on its peak in Karachi and Hyderabad and MQM was involved in violence like kidnaping torturing and killing of opponents and their own members. most of the people who were involed in this violence and were on the police lists of criminals fled to South Africa and other countries. They remained the hardline MQM supporters till now.

Posted by: Malik on 09/28/2009

Yet another instance how low MQM and their supporters can go. This is beyond ridiculous. Shame on your MQM. Anything for cheap publicity.

Posted by: Salman on 09/28/2009

It is not appropriate to raise some political party flags when you are supporting your national team outside the country. I know why there are so many MQM flags and people in South Africa. it was the time when police operation was on its peak in Karachi and Hyderabad and MQM was involved in violence like kidnapping torturing and killing of opponents and their own members. Most of the people who were involved in this violence and were on the police lists of criminals fled to South Africa and other countries. They remained the hard-line MQM supporters till now.

Posted by: Salman on 09/28/2009

It is not appropriate to raise some political party flags when you are supporting your national team outside the country. I know why there are so many MQM flags and people in South Africa. it was the time when police operation was on its peak in Karachi and Hyderabad and MQM was involved in violence like kidnapping torturing and killing of opponents and their own members. Most of the people who were involved in this violence and were on the police lists of criminals fled to South Africa and other countries. They remained the hard-line MQM supporters till now.

Posted by: Ehtesham on 09/28/2009

Raising any other flag than the country's flag they are supporting just doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: Salman on 09/28/2009

It is not appropriate to raise some political party flags when you are supporting your national team outside the country. I know why there are so many MQM flags and people in South Africa. it was the time when police operation was on its peak in Karachi and Hyderabad and MQM was involved in violence like kidnapping torturing and killing of opponents and their own members. Most of the people who were involved in this violence and were on the police lists of criminals fled to South Africa and other countries. They remained the hard-line MQM supporters till now.

Posted by: Raza on 09/28/2009

I do agree politicing games is n't good as games means life away of politics, criticism and above all friendship. It is not table talk but ground play.

Posted by: Habib Khan on 09/28/2009

MQM means "muthada qumi movement" So the Red Green and White flags were representing all Pakistan. Come-on you guys take a chill pill and don't kill our buzz. We just won against India, it is a major victory lets enjoy that, by carrying your party flags doesn't make you any less patriotic. Let’s not forget MQM is a Pakistani political party so if they want to show their love to their party, please let them do that we shouldn't be criticizing on this.

Posted by: acid_rain on 09/28/2009

for me being a karachite national flag and MQM flag is same!
@ Jawad Maqsood : 'No' to all of your questions apart from "Or they think themselves different from the nation?" 'Yes, slightly different' !!!
@ Wajih : c'mon we all know about our sports and politics and how intertwined they are!
next time there is game in UK and I am taking one but will be supporting Pakistan all the way!!!

Posted by: Shahid Rehman on 09/28/2009

This is simply ridiculous. Support the political party in political events and not in cricket matches.

Posted by: Saqib on 09/28/2009

Does it mean that MQM is the most patriotic than any other party in Pakistan?

Posted by: Kashif on 09/28/2009

I just cant understand how your love with your political party can be bigger than your love with motherland. Those fans should think about the message they are giving to the the world about their nationalism

Posted by: Ahmed on 09/28/2009

I love Pakistan and I would never carry any any other flag but pakistn and I myself from karachi... I do not know why a mature writer like Osman Samiuddin giving attention to them.
Love Live Pakistan

Posted by: Joel Da Silva on 09/28/2009

MQM support is built on promoting selfishness and hatred of Punjabis and Pathans. Their leader recently commented that if Pakistan breaks up they would still be fine what do you expect from their blind followers.
Sadly we Pakistanis keep producing more and more Mir Sadiqs and our selfish citizens keeps following them with the hope that they will get everything and others can go to hell. These people call themselves Mohajir, so if they are not happy in Pakistan they can go back to where they came from as Mohajirs have to one day.

Posted by: Faisal on 09/28/2009

Its the same old agenda of MQM to promote the party rather then the country. They say that they are Pakistani with their mouths but in the heart, they just want it their way....and they don't really care about Pakistan as a whole...There world and there Pakistan starts in Karachi and ends in Karachi.....

Its shameful on their behalf...

Posted by: Aqeel Samar on 09/28/2009

Osman most of your blogs are ultimately humiliating our own country in one way or the other.Like in this one,even if anyone hadn't noticed this partism, he will take a note next time for sure.Secondly while mentioning your interesting travelling experiences/Jo'burg diary, you could have gone straightaway without mentioning the TALIBAN titled attached with Pakistan AND the street crimes in Khi
Afterall you are the editor of PK Desk, and in a very important position mashAllah! You should play your role in repalcing the current image of Pakistan which is currently prevailing in the cricketing (or in the whole) world. Especially, while Pakistani team is getting success like t20/india match in ICC Tournaments,its the time to encash.
You might agree that an Indian is very occasionaly seen highlighting the depressing picture of his country.
However,the argument raised by you's very valid,I am just saying that it should had been raised within our boundaries:)
kp rocking dude & enjoy SA ;)

Posted by: Paracha on 09/28/2009

It is truly embarissing and shameful to see people pulling stunts like this , what must the world think when they see people waving these political flags in a world championship game between two countries ? they probably thought these pakistani's arnt even united on carrying one flag , let alone supporting their team . Maybe those people werent even there to watch the game and just to advertise their political party or agenda.
They should be ashamed of themselves , leave the politics at home. If i ever went to a pakistani game again and saw some idiots waving political flag i'll make it a point to " Execuse my french" Kick their Freaking Ass

Posted by: Saeed on 09/28/2009

It shows the mentality of the leaders of this party. Had they been patriotic they would have given an statement against this act after World Cup 1992. By the way what one could expect from a party originated from abhorrence, bhatta and terrorism

Posted by: fehzan on 09/28/2009

I being a Pakistani, feel disgraced by such a shameful act. This political party is one of the worst in Pakistan being involved in many bombings, killings and gang rapes, and reversibly gain sympathy of the people in return. I cant believe that they even showed up the match like that. This is so unacceptible.

Posted by: Kamran on 09/28/2009

Excellent observation and sorry situation as well what would they had told indians why they have been carrying MQM flags instead of Pakistan,s. I dont think litracy is only reading or writing it is what you represent yourself in the name of your Country (MQM must take notice of this thing if they say Jinnah Pur operation was game against them)

Posted by: Yasir on 09/28/2009

i have seen those flags while watching the match, and that is such a shameful act. i don't know what objective they want to achieve by promoting such disgusting and shameful culture. I strongly condemn such racist, miscreant act.

Posted by: Asif Rana on 09/28/2009

no patriatic pakistani would do what handful kids did, but you(osman) should be ashamed being a pakistani and a journlist to write about it. how many indian journlists disclose their devide.

Posted by: Asif Rana on 09/28/2009

no patriatic pakistani would do what handful kids did, but you(osman) should be ashamed being a pakistani and a journlist to write about it. how many indian journlists disclose their devide.

Posted by: Muhammad Ali on 09/28/2009

The interesting thing about the songs being played at the centurion was that the song called "Jumma Chumma Dede" was played after Shahid Afridi kissed SHoaib Malik while celebrating Dhoni's Wicket. This was really imaginative on part of DJ and i can bet that he was Pakistani supporter!

On the match as a whole i think Younus Khan showed quite a bit of character and the team played as one unit. there were rumors about disputes amongst senior players but this does not seem to be the case. As a Pakistani supporter, my head was blowing with headache in stress when Gambhir was batting. It seemed as if it is impossible to get him out but a magical (fortunate) run out from injury hurt hand of the skipper made Pakistan's day. The point is that Younus was very calm and thoughtful even in tough situations of the match and afridi's gesture, telling team mates to focus after Raina's wicket, must have been noticed by everyone. It was delightful to see younger players respect seniors like parents

Posted by: Asif Rana on 09/28/2009

no patriatic pakistani would do what handful kids did, but you(osman) should be ashamed being a pakistani and a journlist to write about it. how many indian journlists disclose their devide.

Posted by: Farrukh Noman on 09/28/2009

Since a crackdown army operation against this political party many of active members move to SA on asylum, to save their lives, and many of their family members were killed in this operation, that is the reason they showing this flag to show that they are still alive and still connected with this party.

Posted by: M.Aslam on 09/28/2009

I agree with Osman that party flags should not be displayed at international sports events. Having said that, I feel he has over-reacted to the sight of these flags. Talking of making an effort to talk to them them feeling being intimidated, and all that. Such things do not suit a sports reporter. Leave it to the political scribes. Don't waste space of a cricket website for such feelings. I think Osman failed to notice the flags of Bangla Desh and Azad Kashmir during the same match. What were these guys waving the flags? It was, perhaps, just an expression of joy by the fans!Please let this controvesy, if at all it is one,be kept off the pages of Cricinfo, Osman!

Posted by: faisal on 09/28/2009

It is a shame. when will those people from MQM learn... perhaps never because of their asshole of a leader... Altaf Gandoo

Posted by: Fida Ahmed Khan on 09/28/2009

May be the people who are involved in this are not one of us, or not even Pakistanis. I went to the Karachi National Stadium few times to support Pakistani Team and found that even the MQM supporting groups are waving Pakistani flags.

Posted by: Khalid awan on 09/28/2009

Yes, i am pretty much aggreed with the idea that why is that thrid fla thing is there.

There are reasons...yes there are
It is a serious concern for all the Nation that we donot have a Loyal and brave leader to Lead the Nation , every body is thinking for ownself not for Country and people.

We are going no where else then a disaster.
The dangerous American policies are breaking the Nation into part;....

Peolple are not realizing it......
ALLAH HELP US

Posted by: Hassan Sadiq on 09/28/2009

Its disgusting to say the least it was disgusting in 1992 and its still as repulsive.

Posted by: Salis Usman on 09/28/2009

I agree with Jawad, let's stick to Cricket. We do not look to buy politics at this point in time and speically dirty politics. We are already sick of Musharaf, Zardari, Sharifs, MQM and Electricity. Do we have some rights to enjoy Pakistan's performance against India for some time, atleast, pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaase?

Posted by: UmeR on 09/28/2009

MQM flags were there to show solidarity with India.

Remember "Pakistan was a blunder" by ghaddar altaf.

Posted by: Abbas Saqib on 09/28/2009

Even after 26 years of emergence in political arena, these guys are still unclear about their political philosophy and considerd a mob, rather then a party, by most of the people of Pakistan and frequently changing tracks from antiesteblishment party to most proesteblishment, they have always been taken non seriously.They are ONE OF THE MOST EARNEST SINGLE PERSONALITY WORSHIPPER IN WORLD, yet they call themselves a democratic party, hence they follow no logical and nationalistic obligation.

Posted by: Muhammad on 09/28/2009

Its shameful and disgusting. In my views it not just the matter of MQM flag, I think this is how MQM percieve the country and their ambitions too....
Traitors...huh

Posted by: Abbas on 09/28/2009

I had always wished that someone could bring this up somewhere... In fact I even wrote to some of the mainstream channels about this issue but no one dared or bothered about it. Last year there was a big PPP flag also in one of the games, its pathetic that instead of national flag - our identity that we should be proud of, some of these dumb, black sheeps are hell bent on dividing us. I urge the MQM leadership to discourage this practice especially now when they are claiming to become the biggest party in Pakistan. They should be keen to promote nationalism and not their own agenda. We are proud Pakistanis and we should potray this feeling when we are abroad supporting our team and not MQM or PPP or any other political party for that matter.

Posted by: yasser on 09/28/2009

Are they showing the flags of political party of another country, MQM represents Pakistan, so it's natural, flag is also representing Pakistan. if you want to see the flags and messages of Patriotism better visit karachi and see the work done by Mayor of Karachi:)

Posted by: khurrum.haidery on 09/28/2009

MQM is a karachi based party and now they want to make their presence in whole country which seems impossible due to their behaviours with other people like punjabi n pathans......one may not have any objection in their politics style but it is very shameful rather dirty mentality to carry a political party flags instead of national flags in a cricket match where other nations are also watching such things

Posted by: Abdul Wahab on 09/28/2009

I am totally bonkers and cant find a reason to c MQM flag over there. It is just damaging the party image, which can sponser some spectators to watch the match and do its publicity. I think it wod have been better if this money was spent on some needy. And to shrud the conspiricy of JInnahpur i think MQN shod be more patriotic and not idiotic.

Posted by: Adeel on 09/28/2009

The matter if the fact is that MQM leadership is neither mature nor competent. It is not the publicity but disrepute. And high-ups of the MQM are not aware of it. Rather they would argue that we were telling to the people of Pakistan that MQM is a national party. The absurdity of this logic can neither beseen by any MQM supporter. I know that for sure as I myself grew up in Karachi.

Posted by: Josh on 09/28/2009

its the same in south africa at rugby games, when afrikaners bring the old tricolour apartheid flag. this should not be allowed. its a cricket game, and not a political rally. tensions will arise.

Posted by: Saud on 09/28/2009

politics and sports are inseparable.

Posted by: RK on 09/28/2009

I feel pity for MQM, and its a shame.You were there to represent and cheer Pakistan not your party. This is not the forum for such things. MQM usually adopts these cheap methods to highlight themselves.
Pakistan Zindabad
Pakistan AIk ishq aik junoon

Posted by: Hameed Ajmal on 09/28/2009

It is really shameful and disgraceful for people of this country who i think are Namal Harams of Paksitan.They should be sent back to India from where they came and call themselve Muhajirs. They hsould remain Muhajirs for whole of their life.

Posted by: Hameed Ajmal on 09/28/2009

It is really shameful and disgraceful for people of this country who i think are Namal Harams of Pakistan.They should be sent back to India from where they came and call themselve Muhajirs. They should remain Muhajirs for whole of their life. may Allah have mercy on this country.

Posted by: Syed Mohsin Ahmed on 09/28/2009

It doesn’t matter which flag you have but the important is that the way you support your team. I think writer had not watched another flag which is the Kashmiri flag. What he said on this Kashmiri flag which is more political issue between the INDIA & PAKISTAN.

We should come think beyond these little things & see things in a broader prospective.

Posted by: INAAM ULLAH on 09/28/2009

dear usman
assalamo alikum!

i read almost daily your prety columns, analysis and blogs oncricinfo. it realy gives me satisfaction that someone from my beloved country is on the international scenewith positive and intelectualapproach.

i am a great admirer and lover of your writing. may allah bless you with more.

you are good but need to be better, so you should read a little more and think a little deeper to get it to the top of all.

i am agreat fan and follower of cricket, even alongwith a scientists career.

Please add me in your friends list on ur face book.

Inaam Ullah
PhD Scholar

Agricultural Biotechnology Division (ABD),
National Institute for Biotechnology & Genetic Engineering (NIBGE), POB#577, Faisalabad, Pakistan.

Posted by: Syed Arbab Ahmed on 09/28/2009

It's a great shame that people don't even able to show their "UNITY" in front of the world, specially arch rivals like India.

Posted by: SMZ on 09/28/2009

Not MQM supporter, but being Karachiite, I know few things for fact without being biased for or against any, MQM included. April 1992 was still early days for MQM, just gotten success in elections n facing fierce opposition n THE OPERATION was about to start in June 1992. Perhaps showing flags during world cup was more to do with reactionary show of presence against opression than any other motive. Also, like rest of Pakistan; UK, Australia n South Africa host sizable MQM supporters as they were forced to leave the city / country due to the Operation.

Freedom of expression, is nothing but natural; we commonly support it. We don't mind speaking, writing, dressing n dreaming in English. Amongst folks, we are pathans, punjabis and sindhis; nothing wrong with it. Similarly, nothing wrong with MQM flag waving. Such observations either be ignored or taken positively. Highlighting with inappropriate comments is more like inciting sentiments.

I thought, this were a sports blog; was it??

Posted by: SMZ on 09/28/2009

Not MQM supporter, but being Karachiite, I know few things for fact without being biased for or against any, MQM included. April 1992 was still early days for MQM, just gotten success in elections n facing fierce opposition n THE OPERATION was about to start in June 1992. Perhaps showing flags during world cup was more to do with reactionary show of presence against opression than any other motive. Also, like rest of Pakistan; UK, Australia n South Africa host sizable MQM supporters as they were forced to leave the city / country due to the Operation.

Freedom of expression, is nothing but natural; we commonly support it. We don't mind speaking, writing, dressing n dreaming in English. Amongst folks, we are pathans, punjabis and sindhis; nothing wrong with it. Similarly, nothing wrong with MQM flag waving. Such observations either be ignored or taken positively. Highlighting with inappropriate comments is more like inciting sentiments.

I thought, this were a sports blog; was it??

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